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		<title>More real declines in house prices and what to do to avoid the worst</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calculated Risk &#8211; Fitch Projects additional 25 percent House Price Declines (real terms)
PIMCO, Phil Gross &#8211; MOOOOO
From the above articles, there looks to be an additional 33% decline in real prices over the next 5 years for San Francisco.  This is good news for those saving to buy a house in 5 years but bad [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/07/fitch-projects-additional-25-percent.html">Calculated Risk &#8211; Fitch Projects additional 25 percent House Price Declines (real terms)</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Featured+Market+Commentary/IO/2008/Investment+Outlook+Bill+Gross+Mooooooo+August+2008.htm">PIMCO, Phil Gross &#8211; MOOOOO</a></p>
<p>From the above articles, there looks to be an additional 33% decline in real prices over the next 5 years for San Francisco.  This is good news for those saving to buy a house in 5 years but bad news for everyone else. If you buy now and the prices sinks down 33% over 5 years, you&#8217;ll have negative equity even with a 20% down payment. Negative equity is a usual stop along the way to bank foreclosure. This is bad news for those looking to buy now.</p>
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<p>The above graph is from PIMCO. See where we are right now at the beginning of a small cliff and how much farther down we have to go through 2010.</p>
<p>PIMCO&#8217;s Phil Gross argues that the best way to stop the coming decline is to restore affordable credit. Unfortunately, while Federal interest rates have declined from 5.25% to 2%, mortgage interest rates have risen from 5.5% to about 6.5%, currently. The way to do this is through some sort of legislation. He seems to be in support of the brand new housing bill that&#8217;s going on through, but I&#8217;m unsure as to how that will affect interest rates (I don&#8217;t know).</p>
<p>The other amusing solution that he throws out from a friend of his is the Government buying 1 million new/unused homes and blowing them up to reduce supply. This would likely work economically, but certainly not politically.</p>
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		<title>Subprime loans aren&#8217;t the only failing loans&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[M&#38;I Bank conference call
We have seen further deterioration in the residential land portfolio during the second quarter. &#8230; M&#38;I has $2.3 billion in residential land loans to individuals and developers. $1.5 billion, or 66%, are located in Arizona . The bulk of the Arizona loans, nearly 70%, are in Maricopa County . &#8230; LTVs are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/07/marshall-ilsley-conference-call.html">M&amp;I Bank conference call</a></p>
<blockquote><p>We have seen further deterioration in the residential land portfolio during the second quarter. &#8230; M&amp;I has $2.3 billion in residential land loans to individuals and developers. $1.5 billion, or 66%, are located in Arizona . The bulk of the Arizona loans, nearly 70%, are in Maricopa County . &#8230; <strong>LTVs are approximately 115%.</strong> Residential land accounts for $219 million of nonperforming loans of which 55% are based in our Arizona business unit.</p></blockquote>
<p>LTV is the amount of a loan that is paid off. 0% means it&#8217;s paid off completely. 100% means nothing has been paid. 115% means people owe 15% more than when they did when they originated their loans. This is across all of their loans! And apparently, they&#8217;re stating that they took on NO subprime loans. When your regular prime loans have such high LTV, that&#8217;s a terrible thing for the state of the bank. Imagine what that means for all banks if even those who loan properly are getting hammered?</p>
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